Football The Official International Friendlies Thread
#1
09-02-2011, 11:25 PM
Croatia 4-2 Czech Republic

Eduardo scored \o/

Croatia

Oh, and I hear England didn't quite embarrass themselves
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10-02-2011, 03:58 AM
Thread title fixed. Lucky I had a spare letter 'e' lying around :p

England match was the usual fare from what I saw - players who do well at club level week in, week out suddenly becoming quite average.

Good cross and header for the Danes' goal, equally good work by Walcott for the equaliser.

Fell asleep after about 20 minutes so can't really comment on the rest of the match.
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10-02-2011, 04:36 AM

4 years ago TT couldn't even spell "Ingineer", now he are one Mrgreen
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10-02-2011, 04:44 AM
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#5
10-02-2011, 10:32 AM
Yeah, always good to see England not embarrass themselves, It's all too rare these days.

Thought Wilshere did ok, but let's not get carried away about him too soon. Good to see Bent get a goal as well - we could do with having a proper striker who actually scores goals in the England team for once.
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#6
10-02-2011, 10:43 AM
I can't believe we have a thread for international friendlies btw Mrgreen

England were ok, but it did my head in how the ITV 'team' kept singing Wilshere's praises and building England up when they were nothing special.

A step in the right direction, yes, but why oh why do we continue to play players out of position?
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#7
10-02-2011, 12:17 PM
ITV are just shit at football coverage. Dreading them covering Barca v Arsenal despite looking forward to the game.
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#8
10-02-2011, 12:24 PM

Trying to make the superstars fit rather than picking the best players for a settled system. All too often big names get games just because we cant possibly drop them. Pick the best player for 1 position regardless who it might upset and the team might get near to its potential.
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#9
10-02-2011, 12:33 PM
The times when we played the best player in their position in their actual position rather than shoe-horning (I'm think 1986, 1990 and 1996) we actually did quite well. Compare that to...well, pretty much any other tournament from 1992 onwards...and the difference is clear to see imo.
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#10
10-02-2011, 12:36 PM
So what causes this? It can't be the manager every time. It must be pressure from above, surely? If that is the case, the talk of the FA being 'unchangeable' is scary.
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#11
10-02-2011, 12:46 PM
It's more media and fan pressure imo.

Wayne Rooney's form has been crap for how long at club level? And, however long that is, I seem to remember him being poor at international level for longer. Yet he's not dropped. Why?

Because a one goal defeat without him would be met with media articles for days suggesting that Rooney could have scored or created goals that may have changed the result.

Likewise fans will bemoan paying two weeks wages to take their family to the match only to miss seeing the big names play - 'I paid to see Rooney not Crouch ffs.'

Until we get a manager 'brave' enough to say 'Bollocks to all that, my way might bring success where as that old way hasn't,' it'll never change.
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#12
10-02-2011, 12:56 PM
You sound like an FA bigwig convincing the manager to pick a certain fugly striker there, JP Wink

The media and fans pressure may have something to do with it, but I'd believe that has more effect on the FA than the individual manager. It's why the FA have always appointed people who do things "their way", is it not?
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#13
10-02-2011, 12:57 PM
Agreed JP...I'll apply right away!
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#14
10-02-2011, 01:47 PM
Was the reason Brian Clough never got the England job
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10-02-2011, 02:18 PM (This post was last modified: 10-02-2011, 02:25 PM by deanashtonsfoot.)
JP is completely right here, I mean, if Capello had the balls to drop Rooney, Lampard and Gerrard because, quite frankly, none of them have played well in an England shirt in living memory, and we then lost one important match, the abuse he'd get from the tabloids and the meatheads would virtually hound him out of the job.

Once the media get on your back you've had it. I mean look at Sven. You ask average Joe in the street and they think he was a donkey because of the way the media treated him, and he resigned as a result. But you look at his record and these days 3 quarter finals in a row doesn't look too shabby really does it. Coupled with the fact we lost to the team that was, without question, the best in the tournament in 2002 and only lost on penalties in 2004 and 2006 against a decent Portugal side, and you can hardly blame him for the fact we didn't do better than that - especially Beckham wasn't fit in 2002 and neither Owen or Rooney were fit in 2006. Given a kinder draw in 2002 (like the Germans benefitted from) and a better mentality in the pressure cooker of a shootout and all of a sudden Sven's reign starts to look very, very different indeed. It's a fine line. There's certainly no question that since Sven left we've gone backwards.

It's a shame, but as a nation we orchestrate our own downfall.
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#16
10-02-2011, 02:23 PM
On the flip side though, if he dropped them and we won convincingly and played well, he would be a hero
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10-02-2011, 02:30 PM (This post was last modified: 10-02-2011, 02:37 PM by deanashtonsfoot.)

Or course, but they clearly decide it's not worth the risk.

No balls.
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#18
10-02-2011, 02:33 PM

Fixed for you JP
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#19
10-02-2011, 03:01 PM

Or course, but they clearly decide it's not worth the risk.

No balls.
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#20
10-02-2011, 03:01 PM

Fixed. Thup
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